Editing Venetian language (section)

{{Short description|Romance language of Veneto, northeast Italy}}
{{About|the modern Romance language|the ancient language|Venetic language}}
{{Infobox language
| name             = Venetian
| nativename       = {{lang|vec|łengoa/łengua vèneta}}, {{lang|vec|vèneto}}
| states           = [[Italy]], [[Slovenia]], [[Croatia]], [[Montenegro]]
| region           = {{plainlist}}
* [[Veneto]]<ref name="UNM">{{cite book |title=Fifth United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names: Vol.2 |publisher=[[United Nations]] |year=1991 |location=Montreal }}</ref><ref name="DRH">{{Cite book |title=Cultural disenchantments: worker peasantries in northeast Italy |last=Holmes |first=Douglas R. |publisher=[[Princeton University Press]] |year=1989}}</ref>
* [[Friuli-Venezia Giulia]]<ref name="UNM"/><ref name="DRH" />
* [[Trentino]]<ref name="UNM"/><ref name="DRH" />
* [[Istria County]]<ref name="JMI">{{Cite book |title=Miniature empires: a historical dictionary of the newly independent states |last=Minahan |first=James |publisher=Greenwood |year=1998 |location=Westport}}</ref><ref name="JRK">{{Cite book |title=The Čakavian dialect of Orbanići near Žminj in Istria |last=Kalsbeek |first=Janneke |year=1998 |series=Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics |volume=25 |location=Atlanta}}</ref>
*[[Primorje-Gorski Kotar]]
*[[Slovene Istria]]<ref name="JMI">{{Cite book |title=Miniature empires: a historical dictionary of the newly independent states |last=Minahan |first=James |publisher=Greenwood |year=1998 |location=Westport}}</ref><ref name="JRK">{{Cite book |title=The Čakavian dialect of Orbanići near Žminj in Istria |last=Kalsbeek |first=Janneke |year=1998 |series=Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics |volume=25 |location=Atlanta}}</ref>
{{endplainlist}}
| speakers         = {{sigfig|3.85|2}} million
| date             = 2002
| ref              = e18
| familycolor      = Indo-European
| fam2             = [[Italic languages|Italic]]
| fam3             = [[Latino-Faliscan languages|Latino-Faliscan]]
| fam4             = [[Latin]]ic
| fam5             = [[Romance languages|Romance]]
| fam6             = [[Italo-Western languages|Italo-Western]]
| fam7             = (disputed)
| dia1             = [[Fiuman dialect|Fiuman]]
| dia2             = [[Talian dialect|Talian]]
| dia3             = [[Triestine dialect|Triestine]]
| dia4             = [[Chipilo Venetian dialect|Chiplo]]
| official         = 
| minority         = {{plainlist|                                                                                                                                                                                *{{flag|Italy}}
**→ {{flag|Veneto}}
*{{flag|Brazil}} <small>([[Talian dialect]])</small><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.ipol.org.br/ler.php?cod=597 |title=Subsídios para o reconhecimento do Talian |last=Tonial |first=Honório |date=26 June 2009 |website=Instituto de Investigação e Desenvolvimento em Política Linguística (IPOL) |language=pt |trans-title=Subsidies for the recognition of Talian |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120127132553/http://www.ipol.org.br/ler.php?cod=597 |archive-date=27 January 2012 |access-date=21 August 2011}}</ref>
**→ {{flag|São Paulo}}
**→ {{flag|Rio Grande do Sul}}
**→ {{flag|Santa Catarina}}
**→ {{flag|Paraná}}
**→ {{flag|Espírito Santo}}
*{{flag|Mexico}} <small>([[Chipilo Venetian dialect|Chipilo]])</small>
**→ {{flag|Querétaro}}
**→ {{flag|Veracruz}}
**→ {{flag|Puebla}}
}}
| iso3             = vec
| glotto           = vene1258
| glottorefname    = Venetian
<!-- does not (yet) exist ... | ELP = 10416, 10701
| ELPname = Veneto, Venetian-->| lingua           = 51-AAA-n
| map              = Venetian_Language_distribution.png
| notice           = IPA
| mapcaption       = '''Venetian language distribution in [[Triveneto]]''':
{{legend|#aa0000|Areas where Venetian is spoken}}
{{legend|#ff0000|Areas where Venetian is spoken alongside other languages ([[bavarian language|Bavarian]], [[emilian language|Emilian]], [[friulian language|Friulian]], [[slovene language|Slovene]], [[chakavian language|Chakavian]], [[istriot language|Istriot]] and formerly [[dalmatian language|Dalmatian]]) and areas of linguistic transition (with [[lombard language|Lombard]] and with Emilian)}}
{{legend|#ffa9a9|Areas of influence of Venetian (over Lombard and over [[ladin language|Ladin]])}}
| dia5             = [[Judeo-Venetian dialect|Judeo-Venetian]]
}}

[[File:Targa dialetto veneto.JPG|thumb|A sign in Venetian reading "Here Venetian is also spoken"]]
[[File:Romance 20c en.png|thumb|450px|Distribution of [[Romance languages]] in Europe. Venetian is number 15.]]
'''Venetian''',<ref name="glot1">{{Cite web |url=https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/vene1258 |title=Venetian |website=Glottolog.org}}</ref><ref name="Ethnologue vec">{{Cite web |url=https://www.ethnologue.com/language/vec |title=Venetian |website=Ethnologue}}</ref> also known as '''wider Venetian''' or '''Venetan'''<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.linguasphere.info/jr/pdf/index/LS_index_t-u-v.pdf|title=Venetan |work=[[Linguasphere]] |access-date=2018-12-11 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.linguasphere.info/lcontao/tl_files/pdf/master/OL-SITE%201999-2000%20MASTER%20ONE%20Sectors%205-Zones%2050-54.pdf |title=Indo-european phylosector |website=[[Linguasphere]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140827110429/http://www.linguasphere.info/lcontao/tl_files/pdf/master/OL-SITE%201999-2000%20MASTER%20ONE%20Sectors%205-Zones%2050-54.pdf |archive-date=2014-08-27}}</ref> ({{lang|vec|łengua vèneta}}<ref>According to GVIM writing system. The whole page has been written with this standard.</ref> {{IPA|vec|ˈɰ<!--please see [[Help:IPA/Venetian]] before removing the ɰ symbol; THANKS-->eŋɡwa ˈvɛneta|}} or {{lang|vec|vèneto}} {{IPA|vec|ˈvɛneto|}}), is a [[Romance languages|Romance language]] spoken natively in the northeast of [[Italy]],<ref name="ethn">Ethnologue</ref> mostly in [[Veneto]], where most of the five million inhabitants can understand it. It is sometimes spoken and often well understood outside Veneto: in [[Trentino]], [[Friuli]], the [[Julian March]], [[Istria]], and some towns of [[Slovenia]], [[Dalmatia]] ([[Croatia]]) and [[Bay of Kotor]] ([[Montenegro]])<ref>{{cite web | url=https://kotor.travel/language/ | title=Language }}</ref><ref>{{cite web|access-date=24 August 2015|archive-date=22 July 2011|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110722040503/http://www.italiannetwork.it/news.aspx?ln=it&id=4697|website=Italian Network|title=Italiani all'estero|url=http://www.italiannetwork.it/news.aspx?ln=it&id=4697|url-status=live}}</ref> by a surviving autochthonous Venetian population, and in [[Argentina]], [[Australia]], [[Brazil]], [[Canada]], [[Mexico]], the [[United States]] and the [[United Kingdom]] by Venetians in the diaspora.

Although referred to as an "Italian dialect" ({{langx|vec|diałeto|links=no}}; {{langx|it|dialetto}}) even by some of its speakers, the label is primarily geographic. Venetian is a separate language from Italian, with many local varieties. Its precise place within the Romance language family remains somewhat controversial. Both [[Ethnologue]] and [[Glottolog]] group it into the Gallo-Italic branch (and thus, closer to [[French language|French]] and [[Emilian–Romagnol]] than to [[Italian language|Italian]]).<ref name="Ethnologue vec" /><ref name="glot1" /> [[Giacomo Devoto|Devoto]], Avolio and Ursini reject such classification,<ref name="Devoto 1972 30">{{Cite book |last=Devoto |first=Giacomo |title=I dialetti delle regioni d'Italia |publisher=Sansoni |year=1972 |page=30}}</ref><ref name="Avolio 2009 46">{{Cite book |last=Avolio |first=Francesco |title=Lingue e dialetti d'Italia |publisher=Carocci |year=2009 |page=46}}</ref><ref name="Dialetti veneti, Treccani.it">[https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/dialetti-veneti_(Enciclopedia-dell'Italiano) ''Dialetti veneti'', Treccani.it]</ref> and [[:it:Carlo Tagliavini|Tagliavini]] places it in the [[Italo-Dalmatian]] branch of Romance.<ref name="Tagliavini 1948">{{cite book |last=Tagliavini |first=Carlo |year=1948 |title=Le origini delle lingue Neolatine: corso introduttivo di filologia romanza |publisher=Pàtron |location=Bologna |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=2AAOAQAAMAAJ}}</ref>