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== City article names ==

There's a scary lack of standardisation of article titles for Irish cities. Below is a table of what exists. Scheme:
* > is a redirect.
* # is the current location of the city article.
* O for a non-existing page
* X - unusable/disambiguation

D - Dublin, C - Cork, L - Limerick, G - Galway, W - Waterford, K - Kilkenny

{| align=center border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5
|Page:
| D
| C
| L
| G
| W
| K
|-
|''Cityname''
| #
| #
| #
| #
| #
| #
|-
|''Cityname City''
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|-
|''Cityname (city)''
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|-
|''Cityname, Ireland''
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|-
|''Cityname city''
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|}

As you can see, 3 out of the 4 formats are used for the main locations! A whole bunch of "Cityname (city)" and "Cityname, Ireland" are missing (or the others should be removed).

As immediate steps, I suggest we get [[Cork (city)]] moved to [[Cork City]], and move [[Waterford City]] to [[Waterford]].

Also, as Cork and Limerick articles will then be at "Cityname City", I suggest redirects at "Cityname city" for all articles...

[[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] '''&#09619;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&#09618;''' [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 23:18, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

:It would be ideal (but perhaps too controversal) if [[Cork]] and [[Limerick]] were used for the cities, Limerick redirects to [[Limerick City]] currently. A google search quickly shows that the cities are by far the most common terms returned. This mightbe a better option to creating "XXX city" compromise. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 17:07, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

::If it's not contentious [[Limerick]] redirecting to [[Limerick City]], then we should move Limerick City to Limerick - it's no more disruptive to other searches than the current situation.
::[[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] '''&#09619;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&#09618;''' [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 17:45, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

::I've placed the question at [[Talk:Cork]] and asked IRC users... I suspect we will have to content ourselves with Cork City (or Cork city). Also, I'm not sure we won't get in trouble over the Limerick redirect... [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] '''&#09619;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&#09618;''' [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 20:53, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend naming the articles "Cork City" or "Limerick City". I mean. The places are called ''Cork'' and ''Limerick''. I would have the main article link to the cities and name the Counties "County Cork" etc. But saying "Cork City" strikes me as American, not necessarily Irish (with apologies to "only" 40m Irish Americans. ;-) [[User:Ropers|Ropers]] 02:14, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

:'''UPDATE'''. [[User:Mikkalai]] has moved [[Cork (city)]] to [[Cork, Ireland]]. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] '''&#09619;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&#09618;''' [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 23:35, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
:: Sorry about that. I didn't know about this discussion. No big harm done, anyway. 
BTW, FUI, here is some google hit stats:
*Cork: -- 2,500,000
*Cork + Ireland -- 1,630,000
*"Cork, Ireland" -- 452,000
*Cork + wine   --  417,000
*Cork + bottle -- 279,000
*"Cork City" -- 190,000
[[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 23:51, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

'''Movings:'''

*Waterford (the city) is now at [[Waterford]], with [[Waterford City]], [[Waterford city]], [[Waterford (city)]] and [[Waterford, Ireland]] as redirects. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="font-size:large; color:green;">&#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 12:25, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

*Cork (the city) is now at [[Cork]], with [[Cork City]], [[Cork city]], [[Cork (city)]] and [[Cork, Ireland]] as redirects. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="font-size:large; color:green;">&#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 12:40, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

*Limerick (the city) is now at [[Limerick]], with [[Limerick City]], [[Limerick city]], [[Limerick (city)]] and [[Limerick, Ireland]] as redirects. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="font-size:large; color:green;">&#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 13:03, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

: Agreed, important links to the cities should be amended to the new articles. I have edited [[Cities in Ireland]], [[Template:IrishCities]] [[List of Ireland-related topics]]. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 20:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I created the rest of the redirects for completeness.[[User:Rparle| ]]&#8212;[[User:Rparle|Rory]] [[User_talk:rparle|&#9786;]] 19:31, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)