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== Wikipedia and Opera web browser ==

I have recently noticed that opera and only opera seems to improperly render all wikipedia pages.  Instead of the Wiki icon appearing on the far left and "Navigation", "Search", "Toolbox" and "Languages" appearing right below it, the wiki icon is now directly over any item in the left hand corner with the other frame objects appearing at the very bottom of the page.  I know that Opera is one of the most standards compliant web browsers out there (often to their own detriment).  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about html standards to locate the problem but, it's quite annoying and not appropriate for a community web page to not properly render for everyone in the "community".

: Which version of Opera are you using?  We do know that later versions of opera 7.2x have major bugs rendering right->left fonts like Hebrew and Arabic, but that doesn't sound related to the layout problem you describe.  Could you take a screenshot and upload that, together with as much version info on your browser (and OS) as possible.  Thanks. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 22:43, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:: I'm using XP and opera 7.5 though I did check it with 7.23.  However the problem is recent, i.e. within the last two weeks.  I don't think that I had problem with it prior that.  I'm having problems creating an external link. Please follow the below link.

::http://www.geocities.com/leonsimms/opera.gif

:::How unattractive. I've tried just what you describe, using both 7.23 on XP and a freshly downloaded 7.51(US), also on XP, and on neither do I run into any problems (either if I'm logged in or contributing anonymously).  You're right that things have changed - at the beginning of the week we introduced a new version of software, and with it came a new default skin.  We're still debugging a few things (but nothing as unfortunate as what's happening to you).  I have some things for you to try:

:::* Many people have had weird problems with either their browser or some intermediate thing (between them and us) caching a half-assed version of the wikipedia "monobook.css" stylesheet.  While on a wikipedia page, could you push ctrl-F5.  That'll make your browser (and all proxies and caches and stuff) reload a fresh version of the stylesheet.  I think this is the most likely thing to be causing your trouble.  Opera is known (and sometimes blamed) for being particularly aggressive about caching (making it look faster than it really is).
:::* make sure your view->style thing is set to "author mode"
:::* opera has a rather unfortunate habit of timing-out when loading a css stylesheet, and showing a page without it.  That shouldn't produce the effect you see, but who knows.  The ctrl-f5 should fix that too, if that's the problem.
:::* one thing I'm sure will fix it - if you create an account (it's really easy) then (like all signed-in users) you can change the "skin" (appearance) to one of a number of options (including the old yellowy one).
:::Please let me know how you get on. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 23:53, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:::: I've isolated the problem.  For some reason, the proxomitron does not like the new stylesheets.  When I bypassed the program, everything loaded properly, though forcing a reload did not solve the problem.  Thank you for your assistance though.

::::: Super.  Thanks for getting back to me - this is still information - I'll know the problem next time a proxomitron user comes along. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 01:29, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)