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==Board Game Artwork==
I HAVE JUST RE-POSTED THIS DISCUSSION AS IT EXPIRED BEFORE I HAD A CHANGE TO WRITE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.

THIS IS WHAT I WROTE PREVIOUSLY [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&diff=prev&oldid=1025623750]: I am very unsure about how to use Wiki-Commons. I am just about to do some major editing of a Wikipedia article about a board game, e.g., [[:en:Brass (board game)]] (Wikipedia 'free link'). I screen-shot the artwork of the game's title on the computer game version, available through Steam. The header is the word "Brass" on a brass plaque. The artwork is clearly not my own work, and I am not sure whether it is the game's logo, as it is the game's title. In addition, since it is a graphic of the game, I assume that the person in control of illustrating the computer version, Magdalena Mudlaff, or the illustrator of the original board game, Peter Dennis, have a copyright over such a graphic. How would I go about working out whether I can use the graphic or getting permission? I seem to see other board games with a complete picture of the game's box cover, including the board game logo, but I am just not sure how they managed to do that. Are such illustrations in the public domain, and, if not, how do they become so? Can you advise me? Thanks in advance for the time taken to lend your assistance.[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] <sup>[[User talk:SMargan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]</sup> 22:55, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

THIS WAS THE RESPONSE [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump/Copyright&action=edit&oldid=1025668507]: 
: {{ping|SMargan}} There are two separate issues here:
	
:# '''Can you upload these materials to Commons?''' Without seeing the images in question I can't say anything definitive, but it is ''very'' unlikely anything related to a game created in recent decades is in the public domain, unless (for example) the logo is too simple to copyright and you want to use that, or the game simply reuses images whose copyright has expired. Otherwise, you'd need the owners of the copyright to release these materials under a [[:commons:COM:L|free license]], and very few owners of commercially valuable materials are likely to do such a thing. If you want a detailed explanation of the issues involved in uploading materials like this to Commons, see [[Commons:Uploading works by a third party]].
	
:# Failing that, '''can you upload these as non-free materials on the English-language Wikipedia'''  without involving Commons? [[:en:Wikipedia:Non-free content]] allows for allowing certain non-free content (such as logos) directly to en-wiki. 
	
- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|talk]]</sup> 04:23, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

::: THIS IS MY LATEST AND FRESH RESPONSE [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|talk]]</sup> {{ping|Jmabel}} The logo is the word "Brass" on a brass plague background, as the logo of the 2008 board game "Brass". It is difficult to say whether this would be copyrighted as whilst the game was republished as "Brass - Lancashire" (2018) with a different logo, and the logo is pretty generic, the game was pretty popular and might be copyrighted. I have tried to upload the logo via the first method, but to no available, as I do not think this fits within the allowable criteria. 

:::I am just a little unsure how to proceed with the second method. The link you gave, i.e. [[:en:Wikipedia:Non-free content]] does not seem to show how to do it, in a format I can understand. Is there a specific part of the page I was meant to be looking at. Can you advise? Is there a link to a "non-free content" uploading area? Thanks in advance for your time responding to this further query of mine.[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] <sup>[[User talk:SMargan|talk]]</sup> 08:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::[[User:SMargan|SMargan]], you should assume that any image you find or copy is conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved") unless you have, and can describe, very clear evidence to the contrary. No image that's conventionally copyright may be uploaded to Commons. Right now, as I type this response, I see within the same browser window various links provided to me by Wikipedia. One of them is "Upload file". Clicking this is how I'd start the process of uploading a file that would need, and that I'd provide, a "fair use" rationale for use within this or that article. (Though actually the process would start earlier, as I'd write and rewrite the "fair use" rationale, ready to paste it in on demand, use GIMP to reduce the size of the image, etc.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] <sup>[[User talk:Hoary|talk]]</sup> 12:09, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::[[Wikipedia:Non-free content]] explains the policy. [[Template:Non-free use rationale]] is the template you will need to put on the file page for each non-free image (or, as appropriate, you can use a more specialized template like [[Template:Non-free use rationale logo]]). - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> 16:48, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> - Yes, the [[Template:Non-free use rationale]] template will be useful when I have uploaded my tiff file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia. Apologies for not being clear enough. Please send me the link for upload a image file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia.[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] ([[User talk:SMargan|talk]]) 04:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:<s>{{u|SMargan}}, I find it odd that an article on [[Brass (board game)|Brass]] includes a long list of non-notable awards, but makes no mention of its complicated and confusing "Birkenhead" rule.</s> [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] <sup>[[User talk:Maproom|talk]]</sup> 13:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Maproom}} does that somehow have bearing on the question of using these images? If so, would you spell out the connection? and if not, this belongs on the talk page of the article, not here. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> & [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] <sup>[[User talk:Maproom|talk]]</sup> - I was only responding to the issue [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] <sup>([[User talk:Maproom|talk]])</sup> raised. I think the real issue behind this discussion thread is how to upload a file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia. Please send me the link for upload a image file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia.[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] <sup>[[User talk:SMargan|talk]]</sup> 04:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I've struck my off-topic comment above. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] <sup>[[User talk:Maproom|talk]]</sup> 06:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::@[[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> & [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] <sup>[[User talk:Maproom|talk]]</sup> - The article currently has a lot of deficiencies. I am doing a major re-write. Part of that major edit was going to be the addition of a logo for the game. However, [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; <sup>[[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]]</sup> is correct, that issue is something best left to the Wikipedia article talk section. I have started a discussion thread about that issue there [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brass_(board_game)]. Now, back to the issue at hand, I have the policies on "non-free images", i.e. [[Template:Non-free use rationale]] and [[:en:Wikipedia:Non-free content]], but now I need to know how I actually upload a file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia. Please send me the link for uploading an image file to the "non-free image" section of Wikipedia.[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] ([[User talk:SMargan|talk]]) 11:19, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:SMargan|SMargan]] In the menu on the left side of the screen you have the button "Upload file", which takes you to [[Wikipedia:File upload wizard]]. There you can choose to "Upload a non-free file", which uploads the file locally here on enwiki instead of Commons. It if complies with [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]] of course. [[User:Trim02|Trim02]] ([[User talk:Trim02|talk]]) 12:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: There is no "'non-free image' section of Wikipedia." You upload the image to Wikipedia (not Commons), and you use {{tl|Non-free use rationale}} (or a more specialized template) rather than {{tl|Information}}. Start at [[Wikipedia:File upload wizard]] and follow the directions. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 16:21, 26 May 2025 (UTC)