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==Notability and deletion==
It has been argued that lack of "notability" is not a criterion for deletion, because (among other things) this isn't specifically stated in the [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]]; and since [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not paper|Wikipedia is not paper]] and (in theory) has no size limits, there's no reason why Wikipedia shouldn't include "everything" that fits in with our other criteria, such as [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]]. 

However, since Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, there is not a strictly limited set of criteria for deletion. Articles are deleted daily on grounds of notability, and this has been common practice since this essay was written. For some reason, "non-notable" articles (or [[WP:TRIV|sections of articles]] – which is less visible, because no formal process exists there) were being removed with zeal.

===Arguments for deleting non-notable articles===
====Non-notable topics do not belong====
Since Wikipedia is not a primary or secondary source—much less a vehicle for publication of direct observation—non-notable subjects (in terms of the verifiability and neutrality of the commentators) do not belong in it. Some have said, "Why not write an article on your next-door neighbor's dog, as long as it's verifiable and NPOV?" If the latter is true, then the dog must have attracted some attention from outsiders and hence it is not subject to the concept of notability.

The word notable is often used as a synonym of "unique" or "newsworthy." Many articles are deleted because the people discussed are non-notable. Sometimes, there is some content in a non-notable article that can be merged into another article. For example, If a British boy wins an award from his police station for creating a new organization scheme for the British Police Cadets, he may write an article about himself. It may be judged that the new organizational scheme was notable while the details of the award ceremony and the identity of the boy were non-notable. In this case, the notable content in the article on the British boy can be merged into a larger article on cadet schemes in Britain.

====There is a precedent====
Many people already act on the assumption that notability is a requirement for inclusion, although their individual definitions may not be common across the group.

====Subjectivity is not a problem====
The subjective nature of notability is merely an issue of defining a guideline for it. When people mislabel an article as "non-notable", they can easily be convinced/outweighed by more knowledgeable editors. [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] is a discussion, after all.

====Notability is not necessarily subjective====
If a subject is not the subject of non-trivial independent coverage, for example feature articles in the mainstream press, how can we verify that it is being covered [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutrally]]?  For some editors non-notable is a shorthand for subjects that have not generated enough independent interest to permit of the existence of a verifiable, neutral article, with reliable sources (although some take the idea to be a distinct branch from these policies). There is a difference between an obscure but important and verifiable topic and a topic which is of importance only to its creator, and which therefore has received no external scrutiny.

===Arguments against deleting articles for non-notability===

====There is a lack of objective criteria====
There are no objective criteria for notability besides the [[Wikipedia:Search engine test|Search Engine Test]] (note: many editors do not consider those tests to be objective or reliable), meaning that individual assessments of notability can display [[systemic bias]]. "Non-notable" is generally a non-[[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|NPOV]] designation.  The person who authored the article probably believes that the topic is notable enough to be included.

====Existing rules are sufficient====
The [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]] rule keeps out most of what is unencyclopedic. The (possibly vague) concept of "notability" is not needed as long as the [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability]] rules are strictly applied.

====Valid content is deleted====
The [http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising recent fundraising page] says, "Imagine a world in which every person has free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing."  We are not doing that, indeed we are actively preventing that, if we are deleting articles solely due to their obscurity. ''"Detailed obscure topics hurt no-one because it's pretty hard to find them by accident, and [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia isn't paper]]" (from [[Wikipedia:Importance]]).'' Further, currently obscure, or seemingly obscure, subjects may garner more popular interest at a later date. In such a case, deleted articles will constitute a loss of valuable (and perhaps, in the transitory world of the internet, irreproducible) information.

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====Obscure content isn't harmful====
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not paper|Wikipedia is not paper]] and (practically) has no size limits, and so should include "everything" that fits within its other criteria.  There is room for articles on any and every verifiable subject.  There is no harm in including an obscure topic, because if it is truly non-notable, people simply won't search for it or link to it.  It will not create a significant server load as such.

====Deletion reform is necessary====
A policy of "delete [[if and only if]] the article is not verifiable in a reliable source" would make it far easier to decide borderline cases and would turn AfD into a more constructive process, which would make Wikipedia articles more reliable by adding references where possible.  The problem with writing "Delete, non-notable" is not about whether the articles should be in Wikipedia, but that it is a quick phrase that does not tell another person ''why'' the article is non-notable (or what definition the person is using in this particular context).

====Notability cannot be measured for some historical and international topics====
Because there is no simple measure of notability, many subjects that are historically notable, or notable in regions with little internet presence, are deleted based on the [[Wikipedia:Search engine test|modern test]] of "I can't find information about them online".  In addition, subjects from regions that do not use the Latin alphabet may have content online in their native language, but little or no content if searched for with the Latin version of their name.  Most historical persons of note, in their time, do not have information online, because Google is not the repository of all knowledge.  An online search, for historical persons of note, is biased toward modern persons, therefore should not be the criteria for determination of notability.

====Specialist topics are often not notable in the sense of being well known====
Many specialist topics are not "known outside a narrow interest group" (as stated by the definition of notability at the top of this essay) but are still perfectly reasonable encyclopedia topics.
For example, [[Darboux's theorem]] is not generally well known (nor does it need to be generally well known) but it is of great importance to people interested in [[differential geometry]].
Excluding it because it is non-notable would make Wikipedia less than the "sum of all human knowledge".
Even asking the average editor to figure out whether it is notable within the field of [[differential geometry]] is unreasonable
as those who are outside that narrow interest group have no reference from which to make that judgement.