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===Categorising towns and villages===

Thanks for the input. OK, so now back to the categorisation issue. Here's the thing. There is already [[:Category:Cork]], [[:Category:Dublin]], [[:Category:County Kerry]], [[:Category:Limerick topics]] (this latter cat should probably be renamed for consistency). Eventually I hope we can have one of these for each county (albeit minus "County" for the city counties of Cork, Limerick, Dublin and possibly Galway and Waterford). They are subcategories of [[:Category:Counties of Ireland]] of course (which holds the county ''articles'' as members also).

However, I'd also hoped to conserve the "Towns in ..." categories and not just place towns directly in [[:Category:Dublin]] for example (although the town categories are subcategories of those county/city cats). The Dublin towns category is already termed [[:Category:Towns and suburbs in Dublin]] reflecting the fuzzy nature of many Dublin places (e.g. Dundrum is a town but part of Dublin city). Should we just rename ALL these town categories to be "Places in ..."? But that would include landmarks, which I don't want to include. Should it be "Settlements in ...". But that sounds silly. Has anyone a proposed solution?

[[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="font-size:large; color:green;">&#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 11:26, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)


:How about, for example, [[:Category:Places in Dublin]] with a subcategory [[:Towns in Dublin]] and articles on, say, [[Phoenix Park]] as direct members of the Places cat?

:I'd leave things largely as they are - towns/settlements in category "Towns in xxx" and other notable articles about things/places/landmarks in or relating to the county in the category "County xxx" (Or tidied up to be consistently like that).   I considered changing the links to category:Counties_of_Ireland to sort on the county name rather than the word county, but said I'd mention it here first. [[User:Jlang|jlang]] 14:52, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
::Ah, I see the problem now, there aren't 'County xxx' categories except for those you've listed above.  Then I vote that there should be. [[User:Jlang|jlang]]

:::So, further to JLang's comments, I suggest we go with:
:::*"towns" (broadly, including villages we can get away with calling towns) being members of [[:Category:Towns in Cork]], etc.
:::*Places that cannot be squeezed into the towns category we put in [[:Category:Cork]], [[:Category:County Kerry]], etc. (i.e. using "County X" but for the city counties)
:::*[[:Category:Towns in Cork]], etc. are subcategories of [[:Category:Cork]], [[:Category:County Kerry]], etc. in addition to being subcats of [[:Category:Towns of Ireland]].
:::*[[:Category:Cork]], [[:Category:County Kerry]], etc. are subcats of [[:Category:Counties of Ireland]].
:::Are people agreeable to this? It keeps things relatively simple (plus I REALLY don't want to recategorise all the town articles).
:::[[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="font-size:large; color:green;">&#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 16:28, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
::::Seems sensible to me. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 08:20, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)

My comments yesterday were not intended to rollback the tremendous work done on towns - its is important to remember that local government in Ireland has not undergone sustantial reform since the [[Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898]] - as usual the government has simply face painted whats their  and quite honestly made a muck of it - Irish governments have never created one city even though several boroughs and towns are (by official boundaries) larger than Kilkenny by far - therefore anything that has more than a crossroads and a donkey might well be considered a town without a great streach of the imagination - just make it clear in the article text city, borough, town or village. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 19:25, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

====[[:Category:Limerick topics]]====
Zoney said "''[[:Category:Limerick topics]] (this latter cat should probably be renamed for consistency)''". I agree, but I suggest that it be renamed to something like Category:Midwest as opposed to Category:Limerick, as topics of interest to [[Limerick]] City include things in south [[County Clare]] and west [[Tipperary]]. Limerick City is a bit of a special case, being on the border of its county. [[User:Seabhcan|Seabhcan]] 11:38, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)