Editing Bertrand paradox (probability) (section)

==Jaynes's solution using the "maximum ignorance" principle==
In his 1973 paper "The Well-Posed Problem",<ref name="Jaynes">{{Citation
|last=Jaynes
|first=E. T.
|author-link=Edwin Jaynes
|title=The Well-Posed Problem
|journal= [[Foundations of Physics]]
|volume=3
|issue=4
|year=1973
|pages=477–493
|url=http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/articles/well.pdf |doi=10.1007/BF00709116|bibcode=1973FoPh....3..477J
|s2cid=2380040
}}</ref> [[Edwin Jaynes]] proposed a solution to Bertrand's paradox based on the principle of "maximum ignorance"—that we should not use any information that is not given in the statement of the problem. Jaynes pointed out that Bertrand's problem does not specify the position or size of the circle and argued that therefore any definite and objective solution must be "indifferent" to size and position. In other words: the solution must be both [[Scaling (geometry)|scale]] and [[Translation (geometry)|translation]] [[Invariant (mathematics)|invariant]].

To illustrate: assume that chords are laid at random onto a circle with a diameter of 2, say by throwing straws onto it from far away and converting them to chords by extension/restriction. Now another circle with a smaller diameter (e.g., 1.1) is laid into the larger circle. Then the distribution of the chords on that smaller circle needs to be the same as the restricted distribution of chords on the larger circle (again using extension/restriction of the generating straws). Thus, if the smaller circle is moved around within the larger circle, the restricted distribution should not change. It can be seen very easily that there would be a change for method 3: the chord distribution on the small red circle looks qualitatively different from the distribution on the large circle:

[[File:Bertrand3-translate ru.svg|center|thumb|320px]]

The same occurs for method 1, though it is harder to see in a graphical representation. Method 2 is the only one that is both scale invariant and translation invariant; method 3 is just scale invariant, method 1 is neither.

However, Jaynes did not just use invariances to accept or reject given methods: this would leave the possibility that there is another not yet described method that would meet his common-sense criteria. Jaynes used the integral equations describing the invariances to directly determine the [[probability distribution]]. In this problem, the integral equations indeed have a unique solution, and it is precisely what was called "method 2" above, the ''random radius'' method.

In a 2015 article,<ref name=Drory>{{Citation
|last=Drory
|first=Alon
|title=Failure and Uses of Jaynes' Principle of Transformation Groups
|journal= [[Foundations of Physics]]
|volume=45
|issue=4
|year=2015
|pages=439–460
|doi= 10.1007/s10701-015-9876-7|arxiv=1503.09072
|bibcode=2015FoPh...45..439D
|s2cid=88515906
}}</ref> Alon Drory argued that Jaynes' principle can also yield Bertrand's other two solutions. Drory argues that the mathematical implementation of the above invariance properties is not unique, but depends on the underlying procedure of random selection that one uses (as mentioned above, Jaynes used a straw-throwing method to choose random chords). He shows that each of Bertrand's three solutions can be derived using rotational, scaling, and translational invariance, concluding that Jaynes' principle is just as subject to interpretation as the [[principle of indifference]] itself.

For example, we may consider throwing a dart at the circle, and drawing the chord having the chosen point as its center. Then the unique distribution which is translation, rotation, and scale invariant is the one called "method 3" above.

Likewise, "method 1" is the unique invariant distribution for a scenario where a spinner is used to select one endpoint of the chord, and then used again to select the orientation of the chord. Here the invariance in question consists of rotational invariance for each of the two spins. It is also the unique scale and rotation invariant distribution for a scenario where a rod is placed vertically over a point on the circle's circumference, and allowed to drop to the horizontal position (conditional on it landing partly inside the circle).