Editing Nivek Ogre (section)

===Collaborations with Al Jourgensen===
Ogre's first collaboration with [[Al Jourgensen]] was in 1987 during the recording of the song "Show Me Your Spine" for the film ''[[RoboCop]]''.<ref>{{cite web|last1=Macdonald|first1=Cameron|title='Ministry Early Trax' Review (13 January, 2005)|url=http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/11779-early-trax-side-trax/|website=Pitchfork|date=January 13, 2005 |publisher=Pitchfork Media|access-date=March 23, 2017}}</ref> The song was recorded by [[PTP (band)|PTP]], a side project of Jourgensen's alongside [[Ministry (band)|Ministry]] cohort [[Paul Barker]].<ref>{{cite web|last1=Bergstrom|first1=John|title='Ministry Trax! Rarities' (27 February 2017)|url=http://www.popmatters.com/review/ministry-trax-rarities/|website=PopMatters|publisher=PopMatters Media|access-date=March 23, 2017}}</ref> Jourgensen explained that he "didn't even know who he [Ogre] was, but somebody said he was some singer from somewhere, so I just said "hey man, make yourself useful, get in here and sing".<ref name="prongs/al/ogre">{{cite web|last1=Radio|first1=Joe|title=Interview: Al Jourgensen and Ogre, 1989|url=http://www.prongs.org/ministry/alogre|website=prongs.org|access-date=23 March 2017}}</ref> Ogre would later go on tour with Ministry to promote their album ''[[The Land of Rape and Honey]]'' in 1988.<ref name="Soundcheck" /> Ogre asked Jourgensen if he would produce the 1989 Skinny Puppy album ''[[Rabies (Skinny Puppy album)|Rabies]]'', a job he accepted. Jourgensen described his experience with Skinny Puppy as tumultuous since it had been Ogre, not Key and Goettel, who asked for assistance on the record; "Sometimes bad vibes make for great, tension-filled music, and that's what Skinny Puppy thrived on".<ref>{{cite book|last=Jourgensen|first=Al|title=Ministry: The Lost Gospels According to Al Jourgensen|date=July 9, 2013|publisher=Da Capo Press|page=[https://archive.org/details/ministrylostgosp00jour/page/87 87]|isbn=978-0306822186|url-access=registration|url=https://archive.org/details/ministrylostgosp00jour/page/87}}</ref>

Ogre next worked with Jourgensen on the Ministry album ''[[The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste]]'', receiving credit as a writer on the song "[[Thieves (Ministry song)|Thieves]]".<ref>{{cite web|title=Ministry: The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste|url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-mind-is-a-terrible-thing-to-taste-mw0000654036|website=AllMusic|publisher=allmusic.com|access-date=March 24, 2017}}</ref> Ogre introduced Jourgensen to  [[Toronto]] native Angelina Lukacin whose voice was recorded for the album closer "Dream Song".<ref>Jourgensen (2013): p. 95-96</ref> Ogre joined Ministry on tour contributing guitars, keyboards, and vocals.<ref>{{cite web|title='In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up' Credits|url=http://www.allmusic.com/album/in-case-you-didnt-feel-like-showing-up-mw0000690211/credits|website=AllMusic|publisher=allmusic.com|access-date=March 23, 2017}}</ref> He said that "Playing with Ministry was insane everywhere, especially during the tour for ''The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste'', which had the cage set up at the front of the stage. It became all you saw, the cage separating you from the raging mass of people in front of you".<ref name="Soundcheck" /> The single "[[Burning Inside (song)|Burning Inside]]" featured a live cover of the Skinny Puppy song "Smothered Hope",<ref>{{cite web|last1=Byrom|first1=Cody D.|title=Ministry Rantology (8 January, 2006)|url=http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5310-rantology/|website=Pitchfork|publisher=Pitchfork Media|access-date=March 24, 2017}}</ref> with Ogre contributing vocals.<ref>{{cite web|title=Skinny Puppy Rabies (21 November, 2016)|url=http://www.post-punk.com/skinny-puppy-rabies/|website=Post-Punk.Com|date=November 21, 2016 |access-date=March 24, 2017}}</ref>

Ogre had also worked with Jourgensen in the industrial group [[Revolting Cocks]], originally as a touring member. Ogre mentioned that he "had a gas" while on tour, referring to it as an initiation; "My brain was rotating about four feet above my head".<ref name="prongs/al/ogre" /> He continued to work with the group by providing vocals for their 1990 effort ''[[Beers, Steers, and Queers]]''.<ref>{{cite news|last1=Gilmore|first1=Steven|title=The Peril's of Puppy|url=http://litany.net/interviews/ipso89.htm|work=Ipso Facto Magazine|issue=7|date=1989}}</ref> When Ogre was again invited to tour with the band, he declined, explaining that his friendship with Jourgensen had become strained. "There were a few things that happened between me and him [Jourgensen] that really made me question our whole friendship and his reason for having me down there. So I decided to bow out of the Revolting Cocks tour. If I hadn't, I would have come back totally addicted to heroin".<ref>{{cite journal|title=24 Hours in Vancouver|journal=Alternative Press|date=February 1992|issue=35|pages=40–46|url=http://litany.net/interviews/altpress91.html|access-date=March 23, 2017}}</ref>