Editing Mathcore (section)

== History ==
=== Precedents (1980s to early 1990s) ===
Early antecedents to mathcore were practiced by [[post-hardcore]] bands of the 1980s and early 1990s. Post-hardcore is a broad term to define bands that maintain the aggressiveness and intensity of hardcore punk but emphasizes a greater degree of creative expression. Hardcore punk pioneers [[Black Flag (band)|Black Flag]] incorporated characteristics reminiscent to mathcore during their mid-1980s experimental period, including [[heavy metal music|heavy metal]] laden riffs and lengthy songs, as well as [[jazz fusion|fusion]]-style time signatures, [[polyrhythms]], instrumental songs and improvisational sections.<ref name="American Hardcore 2001, p. 66">[[Steven Blush]], ''[[American Hardcore: A Tribal History]]'', "Thirsty and Miserable", Los Angeles: [[Feral House]], 2001, p. 66</ref><ref name=ginn>{{cite web|url=http://www.heavymetalbebop.com/post/41782901627/9-greg-ginn|title=#9: GREG GINN|first=Hank|last=Shteamer|date=July 2012|website=www.heavymetalbebop.com|location=Manhattan, New York City|access-date=February 15, 2017|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20171124014716/http://www.heavymetalbebop.com/post/41782901627/9-greg-ginn|archive-date=November 24, 2017}}</ref> At that time, their biggest influences were the [[Mahavishnu Orchestra]] and [[King Crimson]] during its [[King Crimson#1972–1975: the "European improvisers" – Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, Red, and hiatus|1972–1975 lineup]].<ref name=ginn/> Author [[Steven Blush]] said that their new direction "proved too much for many fans",<ref name="American Hardcore 2001, p. 66"/> yet numerous mathcore trailblazers would later credit Black Flag as an inspiration.<ref name=dazzling/><ref name=coalesce/><ref name=rorschach2>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=https://www.brooklynvegan.com/an-interview-w-16/|title=an interview w/ Charles Maggio of Rorschach (who are in the middle of their short run of reunion dates)|date=September 24, 2009|website=[[BrooklynVegan]]|url-status=dead|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160502115213/http://www.brooklynvegan.com/an-interview-w-16/|archive-date=May 2, 2016}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=http://epitaph.com/news/article/converge-interview-with-singer-jake-bannon-from-at-both-ends|quote=[[Jacob Bannon]]: Our direct inspiration comes from bands like Black Flag ... |publication-date=October 27, 2004|date= October 16, 2004|first=Stephen |last=Fallis|publisher=[[Epitaph.com]]|title=Converge interview with singer Jake Bannon from At Both Ends.}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/en/interviews/view/id/950|title=The Dillinger Escape Plan |first=Jasper|last=Hesselink|date=April 2005|website= www.lordsofmetal.nl|quote=[[Ben Weinman]]: When we first started playing in a band, we listened to a lot of bands ... even Black Flag and [[Dead Kennedys]], who had something to say and added some honest energy.|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20171228152730/http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/en/interviews/view/id/950|archive-date=December 28, 2017}}</ref> Among others post-hardcore bands usually credited are [[Minutemen (band)|Minutemen]],<ref name=dazzling/><ref name=rorschach2/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=http://ghettoblastermagazine.com/brian-cook-russian-circles-on-minutemens-double-nickels-on-the-dime/|title=Brian Cook (Russian Circles) on Minutemen's Double Nickels on the Dime|date=June 27, 2012|website=Ghettoblastermagazine.com|first=Timothy|last=Anderl|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180215151817/http://ghettoblastermagazine.com/brian-cook-russian-circles-on-minutemens-double-nickels-on-the-dime/|archive-date=February 15, 2018}}</ref> who were heavily influenced by [[avant-garde rock]] and [[jazz]],<ref>{{cite web | access-date = February 17, 2018 | url = https://www.furious.com/perfect/mikewatt.html | title = Mike Watt interview | first = Jason | last = Gross | date = October 1997 | website = Furious.com | publisher = [[Perfect Sound Forever (magazine)|Perfect Sound Forever]] | url-status = dead | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/19990218112021/https://www.furious.com/perfect/mikewatt.html | archive-date = February 18, 1999 | df = mdy-all }}</ref> [[The Jesus Lizard]],<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.metalorgie.com/interviews/1630_Kurt-Ballou-Converge_English-interview-november-2017|access-date=February 15, 2018|title=Kurt Ballou (Converge) English interview, november 2017|publication-date=December 2017|date=November 2017|website=Metalorgie.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180215210706/http://www.metalorgie.com/interviews/1630_Kurt-Ballou-Converge_English-interview-november-2017|archive-date=February 15, 2018}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.metalnews.de/interviews/Jes+Steineger+von+Coalesce.618.html|access-date=February 15, 2018|title= .: INTERVIEWS :: Jes Steineger von Coalesce|website=Metalnews.de|language=de|first=Michael |last=Siegl |date=June 6, 2009 |url-status=dead|archive-url=https://archive.today/20180215205501/http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b-3puG3ecOkJ:www.metalnews.de/interviews/Jes%2BSteineger%2Bvon%2BCoalesce.618.html|archive-date=February 15, 2018}}</ref><ref name=cook>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=https://www.avclub.com/with-we-are-the-romans-botch-helped-redefine-hardcore-1798253844|title=With We Are The Romans, Botch helped redefine hardcore|first=Kevin |last=Warwick|website=[[The A.V. Club]]|date=November 1, 2016|url-status=live|archive-date=November 15, 2017|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171115083605/https://music.avclub.com/with-we-are-the-romans-botch-helped-redefine-hardcore-1798253844}}</ref> inspired by progressive rock,<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 17, 2018|url=http://smithlahrman.blogspot.com/2012/01/interview-with-duane-denison-february-3.html|title=Interview with Duane Denison, February 3, 1993 |location=Chicago, Illinois|first=Matthew |last=Smith-Lahrman |publication-date=January 30, 2012|date=February 3, 1993|website=Smithlahrman.blogspot.com|url-status=live|archive-date=February 17, 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180217133353/http://smithlahrman.blogspot.com/2012/01/interview-with-duane-denison-february-3.html}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 17, 2018|url=http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/11/cbs-sf-talks-to-the-jesus-lizard-drummer-mac-mcneilly-part-ii/|title=CBS SF Talks To The Jesus Lizard Drummer Mac McNeilly, Part II|date=December 11, 2017 |first=Dave |last=Pehling|location=San Francisco, California|website=[[KPIX-TV]]}}</ref> [[Fugazi]],<ref name=coalesce/><ref name=cook_influences>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://nowxspinning.tumblr.com/post/67775340768/interview-68-brian-cook-of-botch-russian|title=Interview #68 /// Brian Cook of Botch / Russian Circles |date=November 22, 2013|website= Nowxspinning.tumblr.com|url-status=live|archive-date=February 18, 2018|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180218122856/http://nowxspinning.tumblr.com/post/67775340768/interview-68-brian-cook-of-botch-russian}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc=1:36:13}}<ref>{{ cite web | access-date = February 21, 2017 | url = https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/converge_the_best_way_to_learn_is_just_start_doing_it.html | title = Converge: 'The Best Way To Learn Is Just Start Doing It' | date = February 19, 2008 | first = Carlos | last = Ramirez | website = [[Ultimate Guitar Archive]] | url-status = live | archive-date = June 16, 2017 | archive-url = https://archive.today/20170616142041/https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/converge_the_best_way_to_learn_is_just_start_doing_it.html | df = mdy-all }}</ref> and [[Drive Like Jehu]],<ref name=coalesce/><ref name=cook/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 15, 2018|url=https://www.vice.com/en/article/rank-your-records-converge-jacob-bannon/|title=Rank Your Records: Converge's Jacob Bannon Reflects on the Seminal Hardcore Band's Eight Albums|first=David |last=Anthony|date=June 15, 2017|website=[[Noisey]]|url-status=live|archive-date=February 15, 2018|archive-url=https://archive.today/20180215214402/https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/ywzqbw/rank-your-records-converge-jacob-bannon}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc=1:28:28}} who drew from [[math rock]] and [[krautrock]].<ref>{{cite podcast| last = Khanna| first = Vish| url = http://vishkhanna.com/2015/10/08/ep-217-do-you-compute-the-story-of-drive-like-jehu/| title = Ep. #217: Do You Compute – The Story of Drive Like Jehu| publication-date = October 8, 2015| issue = 217| website = Vishkhanna.com| time = 34:19-34:35 ([[Mark Trombino]] on [[Bastro]] and [[Slint]]), 1:13:55-1:14:52 (Trombino on ''[[Spiderland]]''), 1:17:45-1:18:23 ([[John Reis]]'s influences) and 1:19:46-1:19:58 (Trombino on the band's influences)| access-date = February 16, 2018}}</ref>

=== Early development (1990–1995) ===
In the 1990s, the hardcore punk scene started to embrace [[extreme metal]] openly and also was highly ideologized, with most of the popular bands being part of subcultures, religions or political groups.<ref name=coalesce/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 22, 2017|title=Punk turned in on itself in 1995, and out came the wolves|first=Jason |last=Heller|website=[[The A.V. Club]]|url=https://www.avclub.com/punk-turned-in-on-itself-in-1995-and-out-came-the-wolv-1798265787|date=January 14, 2014}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc= 2:15:08}} Some mathcore bands started inspired by [[straight edge]] and [[krishnacore|Hare Krishna]] groups, including Converge, Coalesce and Botch.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://www.musicradar.com/guitarist/kurt-ballou-converge-talks-gear-and-guitars-264751|title=Kurt Ballou (Converge) talks gear and guitars|first=Josh |last=Gardner |date=July 22, 2010|website=[[MusicRadar]]|quote=Kurt Ballou: [We] also discovered punk and hardcore through skateboarding, and in turn these local bands such as [[Slapshot (band)|Slapshot]], Terminally Ill and [[DYS (band)|DYS]] and I think we had some of the same intensity and motivation.|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20111007121310/https://www.musicradar.com/guitarist/kurt-ballou-converge-talks-gear-and-guitars-264751|archive-date=October 7, 2011}}</ref> On the other hand, the more unorthodox bands that substantially influenced mathcore remained in the [[Underground music|underground]].

Two bands usually credited as mathcore forerunners are mid-westerners [[Dazzling Killmen]] and [[Craw (band)|Craw]], who at the time were considered part of the "[[noise music|noisier]]" branch of math rock.<ref name=dangerous>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_heroically_weird_jazz_damaged_art_rock_of_laddio_bolocko|title=The heroically weird, jazz-damaged art rock of Laddio Bolocko |first=Ron |last=Kretsch|website=Dangerousminds.net|date=2016}}</ref><ref name=noisey_craw>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://www.vice.com/en/article/craw-reissue-interview-2015/|website=[[Noisey]]|title=How a Reissue Campaign Will Stick Craw's Music Into the Post-Hardcore Canon|first=Bradley|last=Zorgdrager|date=December 10, 2015|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20180226124011/https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rpyxpb/craw-reissue-interview-2015|archive-date=February 26, 2018}}</ref><ref name=fecking>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://feckingbahamas.com/history-math-rock-pt-1-guess-black-flag-math-rock-now|title=THE HISTORY OF MATH ROCK Pt 1: "SO I GUESS BLACK FLAG IS 'MATH ROCK' NOW?!"|first1=Nikk |last1=Hunter |first2=William |last2=Covert|date=August 16, 2015|url-status=live|archive-date=April 20, 2015|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150420011630/http://feckingbahamas.com/history-math-rock-pt-1-guess-black-flag-math-rock-now}}</ref> Their debut albums were released in 1992 and 1993 respectively.<ref name=dazzling/><ref name=noisey_craw/> They were characterized by a "metallic post-hardcore" sound but with constant time signature changes and vocals with an "animalistic sound of a man losing his mind". Three out of four members of Dazzling Killmen knew each other from jazz school, while Craw had a classical percussionist and a jazz bassist.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 26, 2018|url=https://www.tinymixtapes.com/delorean/craw-1993-1997|title= 1993-97: Craw - 1993-1997|first=Joe |last=Hemmerling |date=December 10, 2015 |website=[[Tiny Mix Tapes]]|url-status = live|archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20160112070725/https://www.tinymixtapes.com/delorean/craw-1993-1997|archive-date = January 12, 2016}}</ref> Both were joined by saxophonists on some performances.<ref name=dangerous/><ref name=noisey_craw/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://www.punkvinyl.com/2010/05/21/selections-from-the-punk-vault-dazzling-killmen/|title=Selections from The Punk Vault – Dazzling Killmen|date=May 21, 2010|website=Punkvinyl.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100525104055/http://www.punkvinyl.com/2010/05/21/selections-from-the-punk-vault-dazzling-killmen/|archive-date=May 25, 2010}}</ref>

In 1989, New Jersey band [[Rorschach (band)|Rorschach]] was formed within the [[youth crew]] hardcore scene but soon developed a more complex and dissonant [[metallic hardcore]] style.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://www.noecho.net/features/on-suffering-remembered-rorschachs-needlepack-25th-anniversary|title=On Suffering Remembered: Rorschach's Needlepack 25th Anniversary|first=Freddy|last=Alva|date=February 25, 2016 |url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160314043314/http://www.noecho.net/features/on-suffering-remembered-rorschachs-needlepack-25th-anniversary|archive-date=March 14, 2016}}</ref> They were influenced by hardcore punk bands such as [[Die Kreuzen]] and [[Black Flag (band)|Black Flag]], as well as [[thrash metal]] bands [[Voivod (band)|Voivod]] and [[Slayer]].<ref name=rorschach2/> After their disbandment in 1993, their guitarist Keith Huckins joined [[Deadguy]] in 1994 and played on their sole studio album, 1995's ''[[Fixation on a Co-Worker]]''.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://www.noecho.net/interviews/keith-huckins-rorschach-deadguy-kiss-it-goodbye|title=Keith Huckins (Rorschach, Deadguy, Kiss It Goodbye)|first=Carlos|last=Ramirez|website=Noecho.net|date=May 9, 2014|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140513222544/http://www.noecho.net/interviews/keith-huckins-rorschach-deadguy-kiss-it-goodbye|archive-date=May 13, 2014}}</ref> The discordant sound of both bands had a profound impact on the first mathcore bands.<ref name=coalesce/><ref name=cook_influences/><ref>{{cite web|access-date = February 25, 2018|title = THE HISTORY OF METALCORE/SCREAMO|url = https://www.metalsucks.net/2010/06/07/the-history-of-metalcorescreamo/|date = June 7, 2010|author = Sergeant D|website = [[MetalSucks]]|quote = While not as frequently discussed these days, the so-called "noisecore" bands of the 90s were perhaps an even more direct influence on today's shitty metalcore artists. Rorschach and their descendants Deadguy were perhaps the first band to put a discordant take on the post-Slayer metalcore formula, [...]|url-status = dead|archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20100610213118/http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/06/07/the-history-of-metalcorescreamo/|archive-date = June 10, 2010|df = mdy-all}}</ref>{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=325}}<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://www.theprp.com/thevault/interviews/drowningman.shtml|title=Interview: Drowningman|date=November 25, 2000|first=Brian|last=Webb|website=theprp.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130330023207/http://www.theprp.com/thevault/interviews/drowningman.shtml|archive-date=March 30, 2013}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc=2:14:13}}

At this period, several pioneering mathcore bands began to form: [[Botch (band)|Botch]] from Washington in 1993; [[Coalesce (band)|Coalesce]] from Missouri, [[Cable (American band)|Cable]] from Connecticut and [[Knut (band)|Knut]] from Switzerland in 1994; [[Cave In]] from Massachusetts and [[Drowningman]] from Vermont in 1995. In 1990, Massachusetts band [[Converge (band)|Converge]] was formed but they started writing and playing what they consider "relevant" music in 1994.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://jacobbannon.com/pages/about-us|title=ABOUT|website=Jacobbannon.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161227060144/https://jacobbannon.com/pages/about-us|archive-date=December 27, 2016}}</ref> Referring to the burgeoning mathcore scene, The Dillinger Escape Plan's founder and guitarist [[Ben Weinman]] said:
{{Blockquote
|text=The [hardcore punk] scene I was in initially was really pretty close-minded... was really revolved around causes: veganism, [[Christian hardcore|Christianity]], Krishna, straight edge, all that stuff was a huge part of all the bands that were playing ... it became just kind of this clique and this popularity contest. [They] weren't concerned with music, they weren't great musicians, they weren't pushing themselves, they were writing music that just sounded like the bands from before but without that passion and innovation. ... And it was great to see bands like [Dazzling Killmen and Deadguy] who were just music and just killing it, and had so many different influences, were underground, but still musically-driven. ... And I was like: "That's what I want to do!"
|author=Ben Weinman, 2011{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc= 2:08:26, 2:15:08}}
}}

=== Establishment, milestone albums and first scene (1996–2002) ===
Converge was formed as an amalgamation of extreme metal, [[crossover thrash]] and [[hardcore punk]], but in the mid-1990s they were heavily affected by early metalcore and post-hardcore bands, such as Rorschach, [[Universal Order of Armageddon]] and [[Starkweather (band)|Starkweather]].<ref name=converge>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|url=https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2013/01/02/say-what-not-so-long-long-converge-quotes/|website=[[Decibel (magazine)|Decibel]]|title=Say What? Not So Long Long Converge Quotes|date=January 2, 2013 |first=Chris |last=Dick}}</ref><ref name=converge_rorschach>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://pitchfork.com/news/37497-5-10-15-20-converges-kurt-ballou/|date= January 7, 2010|title=5-10-15-20: Converge's Kurt Ballou|website=[[Pitchfork.com]]|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100109022353/https://pitchfork.com/news/37497-5-10-15-20-converges-kurt-ballou/|archive-date=January 9, 2010}}</ref> Their second and third albums, 1996's ''[[Petitioning the Empty Sky]]'' and 1998's ''[[When Forever Comes Crashing]]'', developed an increasingly technical and bleak style.<ref name=converge_rorschach/><ref name=converge_evolution>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|url=https://exclaim.ca/music/article/converge_have_innovation_through|website=[[Exclaim!]]|title=Converge Have Innovation Through Suffering|first=Chris |last=Gramlich|date=January 1, 2006|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160112042022/https://exclaim.ca/music/article/converge_have_innovation_through|archive-date=January 12, 2016}}</ref>

At their first stages, Coalesce and Botch were influenced by [[Syracuse, New York|Syracuse]], New York metalcore and [[vegan straight edge]] pioneers [[Earth Crisis]].<ref name=coalesce/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|url=http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/02/march_9th_at_studio7_firestorm-iphone|title=Guilty Pleasure March 9th at Studio7!!! Firestorm!!!|first=Brian|last=Cook|date=February 29, 2008|newspaper=[[The Stranger (newspaper)|The Stranger]]|url-status=dead|archive-url=https://archive.today/20171006203657/http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/02/march_9th_at_studio7_firestorm-iphone|archive-date=October 6, 2017}}</ref><ref name=oral_history_incomplete>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|title=The Oral History Of Botch: Thank God For Worker Bees|url=http://altpress.com/features/69.htm|first=Chris |last=French |date=June 29, 2007|website=[[Alternative Press (magazine)|Alternative Press]]|url-status=dead|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080228044448/http://altpress.com/features/69.htm|archive-date=February 28, 2008}}</ref> Vocalist [[Sean Ingram]] relocated to Syracuse to be nearer to its scene, but ended up disillusioned with their ostracizing attitude and on his return to Missouri formed Coalesce. They incorporated influences from [[progressive metal]] band [[Tool (band)|Tool]], with founding drummer Jim Redd stating that they "wanted to be" them "with none of the quiet parts", but only using their "heavy guitars, heavy drums, wacky time signatures, and loud-quiet dynamics".<ref name=coalesce/> Whereas their debut album ''[[Give Them Rope]]'' (1997) was considered "an underground milestone that helped [further] what was soon [universally] called 'metalcore'",<ref>Lars Gotrich, [https://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2011/10/25/141573753/coalesce-a-tale-of-two-ropes "Coalesce: A Tale of Two Ropes"] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150420061034/http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2011/10/25/141573753/coalesce-a-tale-of-two-ropes |date=April 20, 2015 }}, All Songs Considered, October 25, 2011.</ref> their sophomore studio album, ''[[Functioning on Impatience]]'', became a landmark of mathcore in 1998.<ref name=coalesce_svbterranean/><ref name=coalesce/>

Botch initially tried to become a political-straight edge band but got discouraged by the "elitist" and aggressive stance of many of their participants.{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=321-322, 323}} Their second album ''[[We Are the Romans]]'' of November 1999 was influenced by Drive Like Jehu, [[Sepultura]] and [[Meshuggah]].{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=324}} This album has influenced numerous bands and met high critical acclaim throughout the years, being lauded by [[TeamRock]] in 2015 as "one of the greatest albums in the history of heavy music".<ref name=coalesce_svbterranean/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 22, 2018|url=http://teamrock.com/feature/2015-09-16/botch-should-have-been-bigger-than-the-dillinger-escape-plan|title=Botch could have been bigger than The Dillinger Escape Plan|date=September 16, 2015 |first=Stephen |last=Hill|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160326003254/http://teamrock.com/feature/2015-09-16/botch-should-have-been-bigger-than-the-dillinger-escape-plan|archive-date=March 26, 2016 }}</ref>

In 1997, The Dillinger Escape Plan evolved from the political-oriented act Arcane because they did not want to become part of "cliques" again.<ref name=ug_weinman>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|title=Dillinger Escape Plan's Ben Weinman: 'We Never Want to Be An Assembly Line of Riffs'|url=https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/dillinger_escape_plans_ben_weinman_we_never_want_to_be_an_assembly_line_of_riffs.html|website=[[Ultimate Guitar Archive]]|date=April 16, 2013 |first=Steven |last=Rosen|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20171210121114/https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/dillinger_escape_plans_ben_weinman_we_never_want_to_be_an_assembly_line_of_riffs.html|archive-date=December 10, 2017}}</ref> They turned around their sound significantly in their second EP, ''[[Under the Running Board]]'' of 1998, and their debut album, ''[[Calculating Infinity]]'' of September 1999, drawing from [[progressive death metal]] bands [[Cynic (band)|Cynic]], Meshuggah and [[Death (metal band)|Death]], as well as [[King Crimson]] and several [[jazz fusion]] artists.<ref name=noisefull/><ref name=ug_weinman/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 22, 2018|url=http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=2051|title=Chris Pennie (Coheed & Cambria) – unleashed and moving forward|website=Mikedolbear.co.uk|first=Jerome|last=Marcus|date=October 2009|publication-date=January 1, 2010|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20171126012328/http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/story.asp?StoryID=2051|archive-date=November 26, 2017}}</ref> Both records created an extremely technical and fast brand of mathcore, which "launched an arms race in the metallic hardcore scene" and went on to define the subgenre substantially.<ref name=cory/>{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|loc=308-309}}<ref>{{cite magazine |url=https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-100-greatest-metal-albums-of-all-time-w486923/the-dillinger-escape-plan-calculating-infinity-1999-w486974 |title=The Dillinger Escape Plan, 'Calculating Infinity' (1999) - The 100 Greatest Metal Albums of All Time |last=Considine |first=J.D. |author-link=J. D. Considine|magazine=[[Rolling Stone]] |date=June 21, 2017 |access-date=February 22, 2018}}</ref> [[Relapse Records]] marketed ''Calculating Infinity'' as "math metal" because its sound and the album's title "sounded mathematical", yet this was not the band's intent.{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=314-315}}<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 21, 2018|url = https://www.allmusic.com/album/calculating-infinity-mw0000695657|website = [[AllMusic]]|first = Jason |last = Hundey|title = The Dillinger Escape Plan {{!}} Calculating Infinity |url-status=live|archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20120717053639/https://www.allmusic.com/album/calculating-infinity-mw0000695657|archive-date=July 17, 2012}}</ref>

In 1999, Converge released the split album ''[[The Poacher Diaries]]'' expanding drastically their technical elements, but afterwards main songwriter [[Kurt Ballou]] called it "a failed experiment".<ref name=jane_doe>{{cite web|access-date=February 25, 2018|url=https://www.vinylmeplease.com/magazine/converge-look-back-jane-doe/|title=Converge Look Back On 'Jane Doe'|date=March 8, 2017|first=Andy|last=O'Connor|website=Vinylmeplease.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170313095140/http://www.vinylmeplease.com/magazine/converge-look-back-jane-doe/|archive-date=March 13, 2017}}</ref> This inspired him to change his focus to song structure and the "memorable" elements that initially attracted him to music, birthing their 2001 album ''[[Jane Doe (album)|Jane Doe]]''. This record was the first with drummer [[Ben Koller]] and bassist [[Nate Newton]] who made significant contributions to the songwriting.<ref name=jane_doe/>{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=332-335}} ''Jane Doe'' exerted considerable influence in extreme music circles and attained a cult following.{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=331}}

Other important albums of this period are 1996's ''Variable Speed Drive'' by [[Cable (American band)|Cable]],<ref name=cable>{{cite magazine|access-date=February 25, 2018|title=Cable {{!}} Brilliance meets resilience|page=61|first=Jadd |last=Shickler|magazine=Unrestrained!|date=February 6, 2008|issue=27|url=https://issuu.com/metalindia/docs/unrestrained_27_free}}</ref> 1998's ''[[Until Your Heart Stops]]'' by [[Cave In]],<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 25, 2018|url=https://www.themonolith.com/music/the-mathcorner-vol-4-sponsored-by-the-letter-c-getting-down-with-cave-in-coalesce-and-candiria/|website=Themonolith.com|title=THE MATHCORNER VOL. 4: SPONSORED BY THE LETTER C – GETTING DOWN WITH CAVE IN, COALESCE, AND CANDIRIA|date=January 30, 2013|url-status=dead|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130331095100/http://www.themonolith.com/music/the-mathcorner-vol-4-sponsored-by-the-letter-c-getting-down-with-cave-in-coalesce-and-candiria/|archive-date=March 31, 2013}}</ref> 2000's ''Rock and Roll Killing Machine'' by [[Drowningman]],<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 25, 2018|url=http://drownedinsound.com/releases/2433/reviews/152-|website=[[Drowned in Sound]]|title=Drowningman {{!}} Rock n Roll Killing Machine |date=October 23, 2000|first=Mat |last=Hocking |url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180226011920/http://drownedinsound.com/releases/2433/reviews/152-|archive-date=February 26, 2018}}</ref> and 2002's ''[[Challenger (Knut album)|Challenger]]'' by [[Knut (band)|Knut]].<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 25, 2018|url=https://www.allmusic.com/album/challenger-mw0000216216|title=Knut {{!}} Challenger |first=William |last=York|website=[[AllMusic]]}}</ref>

=== Contemporary influence (early 2000s) ===
In the early 2000s several new mathcore bands started to emerge. [[Norma Jean (band)|Norma Jean]]'s earlier records are often compared to Converge and Botch.<ref>Bosler, Shawn. [http://www.decibelmagazine.com/features/apr2005/norma_jean.aspx?terms=D+Shawn+Bosler&searchtype=2&fragment=True Christian metalcore heavyweights Norma Jean make new believers with O' God, the Aftermath."] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120217011602/http://www.decibelmagazine.com/features/apr2005/norma_jean.aspx?terms=D+Shawn+Bosler&searchtype=2&fragment=True |date=February 17, 2012 }} ''Decibel Magazine''. Retrieved on August 3, 2008.</ref><ref>Bansal, Vik. [http://www.musicomh.com/albums/norma-jean-2_0106.htm "Norma Jean - O God The Aftermath (Abacus)"] {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20081006212513/http://www.musicomh.com/albums/norma-jean-2_0106.htm |date=October 6, 2008 }} ''musicOMH.com''. Retrieved on August 3, 2008.</ref><ref>Heisel, Scott. "Listening Station" ''[[Alternative Press (music magazine)|Alternative Press]]''. Issue 242 Page 168.</ref> Other new mathcore bands that cite older mathcore bands as an influence or are compared to them include [[Car Bomb (band)|Car Bomb]],<ref>{{cite book |author=Angle, Brad |title=''Centralia'' review |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ePsDAAAAMBAJ&q=%22car+bomb%22+%22mathcore%22&pg=PA38 |publisher=[[Guitar World]] |access-date=December 17, 2009}} {{Dead link|date=October 2010|bot=H3llBot}}</ref> [[The Locust]],<ref name="bray">Ken McGrath. "Destruction and Chaos are Never Far Behind". Interview with Bobby Bray. ''Sorted Magazine''. 2003. [http://www.sortedmagazine.com/Distorted.php3?nID=497] Access date: October 4, 2008.</ref> [[Daughters (band)|Daughters]],<ref>Steve Carlson, Hell Songs review, "Blog Critics", October 19, 2006. {{cite web |url=http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/10/19/095721.php |title=Music Review: Daughters - Hell Songs |access-date=October 9, 2008 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20081216140310/http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/10/19/095721.php |archive-date=December 16, 2008 }} Access date: September 13, 2008.</ref> [[Some Girls (California band)|Some Girls]],<ref>"San Diego Reader"[http://www.sandiegoreader.com/bands/some-girls/] Access date: September 13, 2008.</ref> [[Look What I Did]],<ref>Harris, Chris. [http://www.noisecreep.com/2009/12/10/look-what-i-did-new-album-atlas-drugged/ "Look What I Did Name Upcoming LP 'Atlas Drugged'"]''Noisecreep''</ref> [[The Number Twelve Looks Like You]]<ref>Miller, Kirk. [http://www.decibelmagazine.com/reviews/feb2007/thenumber12lookslikeyou.aspx?terms=dillinger+escape+plan&searchtype=2&fragment=True "The Number Twelve Looks Like You: Put on Your Rosy Red Glasses - You know, the kind Bootsy Collins wears..."] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120217011435/http://www.decibelmagazine.com/reviews/feb2007/thenumber12lookslikeyou.aspx?terms=dillinger+escape+plan&searchtype=2&fragment=True |date=February 17, 2012 }} ''Decibel Magazine''. Retrieved on August 3, 2008.</ref> and [[Ion Dissonance]].<ref>[http://www.themetalforge.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=1302 Ion Dissonance - Minus The Herd review] Minus the Herd represents a new direction and sound for the band... ...the changes aren't just from a vocal perspective; as the chaotic elements of Ion Dissonance's metalcore/mathcore sound has been toned down to make way for a groovier and more accessible feel throughout.</ref>

===2010s–present===
Bands such as [[Rolo Tomassi]], [[Frontierer (band)|Frontierer]], [[The Armed]], Black Matter Device, [[The Callous Daoboys]], and [[SeeYouSpaceCowboy]] have been described as modern practitioners of the genre by [[Bandcamp]]<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://daily.bandcamp.com/2019/06/12/mathcore-guide/|title=A Brief History of Mathcore In Ten Albums|last=Editorial|date=June 12, 2019|website=Bandcamp Daily|language=en|access-date=June 16, 2019}}</ref> and [[Alternative Press (magazine)|Alternative Press]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.altpress.com/features/|title=Upcoming Hardcore Bands|last=Editorial|date=June 5, 2019|website=Altpress|language=en|access-date=February 28, 2020}}</ref>