Editing Mathcore (section)

=== Early development (1990–1995) ===
In the 1990s, the hardcore punk scene started to embrace [[extreme metal]] openly and also was highly ideologized, with most of the popular bands being part of subcultures, religions or political groups.<ref name=coalesce/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 22, 2017|title=Punk turned in on itself in 1995, and out came the wolves|first=Jason |last=Heller|website=[[The A.V. Club]]|url=https://www.avclub.com/punk-turned-in-on-itself-in-1995-and-out-came-the-wolv-1798265787|date=January 14, 2014}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc= 2:15:08}} Some mathcore bands started inspired by [[straight edge]] and [[krishnacore|Hare Krishna]] groups, including Converge, Coalesce and Botch.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://www.musicradar.com/guitarist/kurt-ballou-converge-talks-gear-and-guitars-264751|title=Kurt Ballou (Converge) talks gear and guitars|first=Josh |last=Gardner |date=July 22, 2010|website=[[MusicRadar]]|quote=Kurt Ballou: [We] also discovered punk and hardcore through skateboarding, and in turn these local bands such as [[Slapshot (band)|Slapshot]], Terminally Ill and [[DYS (band)|DYS]] and I think we had some of the same intensity and motivation.|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20111007121310/https://www.musicradar.com/guitarist/kurt-ballou-converge-talks-gear-and-guitars-264751|archive-date=October 7, 2011}}</ref> On the other hand, the more unorthodox bands that substantially influenced mathcore remained in the [[Underground music|underground]].

Two bands usually credited as mathcore forerunners are mid-westerners [[Dazzling Killmen]] and [[Craw (band)|Craw]], who at the time were considered part of the "[[noise music|noisier]]" branch of math rock.<ref name=dangerous>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_heroically_weird_jazz_damaged_art_rock_of_laddio_bolocko|title=The heroically weird, jazz-damaged art rock of Laddio Bolocko |first=Ron |last=Kretsch|website=Dangerousminds.net|date=2016}}</ref><ref name=noisey_craw>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://www.vice.com/en/article/craw-reissue-interview-2015/|website=[[Noisey]]|title=How a Reissue Campaign Will Stick Craw's Music Into the Post-Hardcore Canon|first=Bradley|last=Zorgdrager|date=December 10, 2015|url-status=live|archive-url=https://archive.today/20180226124011/https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/rpyxpb/craw-reissue-interview-2015|archive-date=February 26, 2018}}</ref><ref name=fecking>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://feckingbahamas.com/history-math-rock-pt-1-guess-black-flag-math-rock-now|title=THE HISTORY OF MATH ROCK Pt 1: "SO I GUESS BLACK FLAG IS 'MATH ROCK' NOW?!"|first1=Nikk |last1=Hunter |first2=William |last2=Covert|date=August 16, 2015|url-status=live|archive-date=April 20, 2015|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150420011630/http://feckingbahamas.com/history-math-rock-pt-1-guess-black-flag-math-rock-now}}</ref> Their debut albums were released in 1992 and 1993 respectively.<ref name=dazzling/><ref name=noisey_craw/> They were characterized by a "metallic post-hardcore" sound but with constant time signature changes and vocals with an "animalistic sound of a man losing his mind". Three out of four members of Dazzling Killmen knew each other from jazz school, while Craw had a classical percussionist and a jazz bassist.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 26, 2018|url=https://www.tinymixtapes.com/delorean/craw-1993-1997|title= 1993-97: Craw - 1993-1997|first=Joe |last=Hemmerling |date=December 10, 2015 |website=[[Tiny Mix Tapes]]|url-status = live|archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20160112070725/https://www.tinymixtapes.com/delorean/craw-1993-1997|archive-date = January 12, 2016}}</ref> Both were joined by saxophonists on some performances.<ref name=dangerous/><ref name=noisey_craw/><ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=https://www.punkvinyl.com/2010/05/21/selections-from-the-punk-vault-dazzling-killmen/|title=Selections from The Punk Vault – Dazzling Killmen|date=May 21, 2010|website=Punkvinyl.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100525104055/http://www.punkvinyl.com/2010/05/21/selections-from-the-punk-vault-dazzling-killmen/|archive-date=May 25, 2010}}</ref>

In 1989, New Jersey band [[Rorschach (band)|Rorschach]] was formed within the [[youth crew]] hardcore scene but soon developed a more complex and dissonant [[metallic hardcore]] style.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://www.noecho.net/features/on-suffering-remembered-rorschachs-needlepack-25th-anniversary|title=On Suffering Remembered: Rorschach's Needlepack 25th Anniversary|first=Freddy|last=Alva|date=February 25, 2016 |url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160314043314/http://www.noecho.net/features/on-suffering-remembered-rorschachs-needlepack-25th-anniversary|archive-date=March 14, 2016}}</ref> They were influenced by hardcore punk bands such as [[Die Kreuzen]] and [[Black Flag (band)|Black Flag]], as well as [[thrash metal]] bands [[Voivod (band)|Voivod]] and [[Slayer]].<ref name=rorschach2/> After their disbandment in 1993, their guitarist Keith Huckins joined [[Deadguy]] in 1994 and played on their sole studio album, 1995's ''[[Fixation on a Co-Worker]]''.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 18, 2018|url=http://www.noecho.net/interviews/keith-huckins-rorschach-deadguy-kiss-it-goodbye|title=Keith Huckins (Rorschach, Deadguy, Kiss It Goodbye)|first=Carlos|last=Ramirez|website=Noecho.net|date=May 9, 2014|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140513222544/http://www.noecho.net/interviews/keith-huckins-rorschach-deadguy-kiss-it-goodbye|archive-date=May 13, 2014}}</ref> The discordant sound of both bands had a profound impact on the first mathcore bands.<ref name=coalesce/><ref name=cook_influences/><ref>{{cite web|access-date = February 25, 2018|title = THE HISTORY OF METALCORE/SCREAMO|url = https://www.metalsucks.net/2010/06/07/the-history-of-metalcorescreamo/|date = June 7, 2010|author = Sergeant D|website = [[MetalSucks]]|quote = While not as frequently discussed these days, the so-called "noisecore" bands of the 90s were perhaps an even more direct influence on today's shitty metalcore artists. Rorschach and their descendants Deadguy were perhaps the first band to put a discordant take on the post-Slayer metalcore formula, [...]|url-status = dead|archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20100610213118/http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/06/07/the-history-of-metalcorescreamo/|archive-date = June 10, 2010|df = mdy-all}}</ref>{{sfn|Mudrian|2009|p=325}}<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://www.theprp.com/thevault/interviews/drowningman.shtml|title=Interview: Drowningman|date=November 25, 2000|first=Brian|last=Webb|website=theprp.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130330023207/http://www.theprp.com/thevault/interviews/drowningman.shtml|archive-date=March 30, 2013}}</ref>{{sfn|Farris|2011|loc=2:14:13}}

At this period, several pioneering mathcore bands began to form: [[Botch (band)|Botch]] from Washington in 1993; [[Coalesce (band)|Coalesce]] from Missouri, [[Cable (American band)|Cable]] from Connecticut and [[Knut (band)|Knut]] from Switzerland in 1994; [[Cave In]] from Massachusetts and [[Drowningman]] from Vermont in 1995. In 1990, Massachusetts band [[Converge (band)|Converge]] was formed but they started writing and playing what they consider "relevant" music in 1994.<ref>{{cite web|access-date=February 24, 2018|url=https://jacobbannon.com/pages/about-us|title=ABOUT|website=Jacobbannon.com|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20161227060144/https://jacobbannon.com/pages/about-us|archive-date=December 27, 2016}}</ref> Referring to the burgeoning mathcore scene, The Dillinger Escape Plan's founder and guitarist [[Ben Weinman]] said:
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|text=The [hardcore punk] scene I was in initially was really pretty close-minded... was really revolved around causes: veganism, [[Christian hardcore|Christianity]], Krishna, straight edge, all that stuff was a huge part of all the bands that were playing ... it became just kind of this clique and this popularity contest. [They] weren't concerned with music, they weren't great musicians, they weren't pushing themselves, they were writing music that just sounded like the bands from before but without that passion and innovation. ... And it was great to see bands like [Dazzling Killmen and Deadguy] who were just music and just killing it, and had so many different influences, were underground, but still musically-driven. ... And I was like: "That's what I want to do!"
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