Editing Lloyd Waner

{{Short description|American baseball player (1906–1982)}}
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{{Infobox baseball biography
|name=Lloyd Waner
|position=[[Center fielder]]
|image=LloydWanerCard.jpg
|bats=Left
|throws=Right
|birth_date={{birth date|1906|3|16}}
|birth_place=[[Harrah, Oklahoma]], U.S.
|death_date={{death date and age|1982|7|22|1906|3|16}}
|death_place=[[Oklahoma City, Oklahoma]], U.S.
|debutleague = MLB
|debutdate=April 12
|debutyear=1927
|debutteam=Pittsburgh Pirates
|finalleague = MLB
|finaldate=September 16
|finalyear=1945
|finalteam=Pittsburgh Pirates
|statleague = MLB
|stat1label=[[Batting average (baseball)|Batting average]]
|stat1value=.316
|stat2label=[[Hit (baseball)|Hits]]
|stat2value=2,459
|stat3label=[[Home run]]s
|stat3value=27
|stat4label=[[Runs batted in]]
|stat4value=598
|teams=
* [[Pittsburgh Pirates]] ({{baseball year|1927}}–{{baseball year|1941}})
* [[Boston Braves (baseball)|Boston Braves]] ({{baseball year|1941}})
* [[Cincinnati Reds]] ({{baseball year|1941}})
* [[Philadelphia Phillies]] ({{baseball year|1942}})
* [[Brooklyn Dodgers]] ({{baseball year|1944}})
* [[Pittsburgh Pirates]] ({{baseball year|1944}}–{{baseball year|1945}})
|highlights=
* [[Major League Baseball All-Star Game|All-Star]] ([[1938 Major League Baseball All-Star Game|1938]])
*[[Pittsburgh Pirates#Pirates Hall of Fame|Pittsburgh Pirates Hall of Fame]]
|hoflink = National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum
|hoftype = National
|hofdate=[[1967 Baseball Hall of Fame balloting|1967]]
|hofmethod=Veterans Committee
}}
'''Lloyd James Waner''' (March 16, 1906 – July 22, 1982), nicknamed "'''Little Poison'''", was a [[Major League Baseball]] (MLB) [[center fielder]]. His small stature at {{height|ft=5|in=9}} and 132&nbsp;lb (60&nbsp;kg)<ref name="PSULloydWaner">[http://pabook.libraries.psu.edu/palitmap/bios/Waner__Lloyd.html "Lloyd Waner"] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130516001308/http://pabook.libraries.psu.edu/palitmap/bios/Waner__Lloyd.html |date=2013-05-16 }}. ''psu.edu''. Retrieved 2010-10-10.</ref> made him one of the smallest players of his era. Along with his brother, [[Paul Waner]], he anchored the [[Pittsburgh Pirates]] outfield throughout the 1920s and 1930s. After brief stints with four other teams late in his career, Waner retired as a Pirate.

Waner finished with a [[batting average (baseball)|batting average]] over .300 in ten seasons. He earned a selection to the [[MLB All-Star Game]] in 1938. Lloyd and Paul Waner set the record for career hits by brothers in MLB. He was elected into the [[National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum|National Baseball Hall of Fame]] by the Veterans Committee in 1967. He worked as a scout for the Pirates and the [[Baltimore Orioles]] after retiring as a player.

==Early life==
Waner was born on March 16, 1906, in [[Harrah, Oklahoma]], and grew up on a farm with his older brother, Paul. The two worked from dawn to dusk every day, and baseball was their only form of entertainment. Influenced by their father, who was a minor league player in Oklahoma City, Paul and Lloyd's love and natural talent for the game developed over the years. The Waners learned to hit against corncobs and cut down saplings in the woods to use as bats.<ref name="PSULloydWaner"/> Lloyd graduated from [[McLoud High School]] and attended three semesters at East Central State Normal School (now [[East Central University]] in [[Ada, Oklahoma]] before going into professional baseball.<ref>{{cite web| url=http://www.easternoklahomacounty.com/harrah/waner.htm| archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110710163655/http://www.easternoklahomacounty.com/harrah/waner.htm| title=Paul & Lloyd Waner| archive-date=2011-07-10| publisher=easternoklahomacounty.com| access-date=2012-09-01}}</ref>

Waner started his professional baseball career in 1925 with the [[San Francisco Seals (baseball)|San Francisco Seals]] of the [[Pacific Coast League]], but he hit poorly. He was offered a tryout for the Pirates at the urging of his brother, who had been discovered in Ada by Pirates scout [[Joe Devine (scout)|Joe Devine]].<ref name=NewsOK/> In 1926, he batted .345 in the Class B [[South Atlantic League (1904–1963)|South Atlantic League]]. He also won the league's [[most valuable player]] award.<ref>Parker, p. 52.</ref>

==MLB career==

===Early career===
Waner broke into the major leagues with the Pirates in 1927 and quickly built his reputation as a slap hitter with an astute sense of plate discipline. In his rookie campaign, he batted .355 with 223 hits while only striking out 23 times (the highest strikeout total of his career). As the leadoff hitter of the powerful Pittsburgh offense, he led the [[National League (baseball)|National League]] (NL) with 133 runs scored while only having 27 RBIs. The runs scored mark set an MLB rookie record.<ref>{{cite web| archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20100510053334/http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/baseballrookies.html| archive-date=2010-05-10| url=https://www.espn.com/page2/s/list/baseballrookies.html |title=Lynn's magical 1975 ranks No. 1 |work=espn.com| url-status=live| access-date=2012-09-01}}</ref> [[Al López]] said that infielders of the era played deep at their positions, but Waner made them play closer to compensate for his speed as a runner.<ref name=NewsOK>{{cite web|last=Kensler|first=Tom|title=Hall of Famer Lloyd Waner, 76, Dies Speed Was Game of "Little Poison'|url=http://newsok.com/hall-of-famer-lloyd-waner-76-dies-speed-was-game-of-little-poison/article/1990894|publisher=[[NewsOK]]|access-date=November 2, 2013}}</ref>

The Pirates won the 1927 NL pennant; Waner then batted .400 in his only [[World Series]], but the [[New York Yankees]] won in four games. He continued to bat well early in his career. He earned a record-setting 678 hits over his first three seasons (1927–1929). (From 2001 to 2003, [[Ichiro Suzuki]] came close to the mark with 662 hits in his first three years.)<ref name="Ichiro">{{Cite news |last=Korte |first=Tim |date=2003-12-19 |title=Ichiro signs 4-year extension |url=https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-columbian-ichiro-signs-4-year-extens/166128523/ |access-date=2025-02-19 |work=[[The Columbian]] |pages=[https://www.newspapers.com/clip/166128523/ B1], [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/166128648/ B7] |publication-place=Vancouver, Washington |via=[[Newspapers.com]]}}</ref> Waner finished in the top ten in [[MLB Most Valuable Player award|MVP voting]] 1927 and 1929.<ref name=BR>{{cite web|title=Lloyd Waner Statistics|url=https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wanerll01.shtml|publisher=[[Baseball-Reference.com]]|access-date=November 2, 2013}}</ref>

Coming off a .353 season in 1929, he missed most of the next year due to [[appendicitis]]. He had surgery for the condition in the winter. Waner had difficulty recovering from the surgery and re-entered the hospital in May.<ref name="MJ">{{Cite news |date=1930-05-05 |title=Lloyd Waner in Hospital |url=https://www.genealogybank.com/newspaper-clippings/title/ucbwevdzktxxhtjxjdfhvjoqldewpprr_ip-10-166-46-103_1739927668358 |access-date=2025-02-19 |work=Milwaukee Journal |page=35 |via=[[GenealogyBank.com]] |agency=Associated Press}}</ref> ''The Pittsburgh Press'' reported the fear that he might have to retire.<ref name=PP>{{cite news|title=Waner, Rajah May Be Lost|url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qbocAAAAIBAJ&pg=4259,4373269|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[The Pittsburgh Press]]|date=May 14, 1930}}</ref>

===Middle career===
He returned in 1931 and led the NL with 214 hits and 681 at-bats while hitting .314. Waner hit .333 the next year and finished 13th in MVP voting, but his average dropped to .276 in 1933.<ref name=BR/> Waner's average increased to .283 and then .309 over the next two years, though he did not lead the league in any offensive categories or place in the MVP voting during those seasons.<ref name=BR/> In January 1936, Waner became ill with [[pneumonia]] and his condition was initially said to be critical.<ref name=Spokane>{{cite news|title=Lloyd Waner Sick; Condition Serious|url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=kWpWAAAAIBAJ&pg=2635,5928965|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[Spokane Daily Chronicle]]|date=January 21, 1936}}</ref> He recovered and was back on the field by late April.<ref name=RS1936>{{cite web|title=The 1936 PIT N Regular Season Batting Log for Lloyd Waner|url=http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1936/Iwanel1010101936.htm|publisher=[[Retrosheet]]|access-date=November 2, 2013}}</ref> Waner hit between .313 and .330 between 1936 and 1938, earning an [[MLB All-Star Game]] selection in 1938.<ref name=BR/>

===Later career===
After splitting time in the early 1940s with the [[Boston Braves (baseball)|Boston Braves]], [[Cincinnati Reds]], [[Philadelphia Phillies]], and [[Brooklyn Dodgers]], Waner returned to Pittsburgh, where he finished his career. In September 1945, he asked team president [[William Benswanger]] for his release, saying, "The old legs just won't hold up anymore and I'm convinced that I'm through."<ref name=PPG>{{cite news|title=Lloyd Waner Retires as Player, Stays with Pirates as Scout|url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19450922&id=mcYwAAAAIBAJ&pg=3821,5337378|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[Pittsburgh Post-Gazette]]|date=September 22, 1945}}</ref> He compiled a career .316 batting average, batting .300 or higher in ten seasons. He compiled 1 six-hit game, 2 five-hit games and 41 four-hit games in his major league career.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/W/PX_wanel101.htm|title=Lloyd Waner Top Performances at Retrosheet|website=retrosheet.org|accessdate= April 7, 2024}}</ref> Waner was also an accomplished center fielder. He led the league in putouts four times, using his excellent speed to cover the spacious [[Forbes Field]] outfield. He recorded a career .983 [[fielding percentage]] at that position.

He (2,459) and his older brother Paul (3,152) hold the career record for hits by brothers (5,611), outpacing the three Alou brothers and the three DiMaggio brothers, among others. For most of the period from 1927 to 1940, Paul patrolled [[right field]] at Forbes Field while Lloyd covered the ground next to him in [[Center fielder|center]].  On September 15, 1938, the brothers hit back-to-back home runs against [[Cliff Melton]] of the [[New York Giants (NL)|New York Giants]].<ref>{{cite news|title=Today in Baseball|newspaper=Washington Post|date=September 15, 2008|pages=E7}}</ref>

Paul was known as "Big Poison" and Lloyd as "Little Poison". They got their nicknames from a [[Brooklyn Dodgers]] fan's pronunciation of "Big Person" and "Little Person", which was then picked up by a sportswriter in the stands. In 1927, the season the brothers accumulated 460 hits, the fan is said to have remarked, "Them Waners! It's always the little poison on thoid (third) and the big poison on foist (first)!"<ref name="PSULloydWaner"/><ref name="Obituary">[http://thedeadballera.com/Obits/Obits_W/Waner.Lloyd.Obit.html "Lloyd Waner's Obit"] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200123030725/http://thedeadballera.com/Obits/Obits_W/Waner.Lloyd.Obit.html |date=2020-01-23 }}. ''thedeadballera.com''. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>[https://baseballbiography.com/paul-waner-1903 Paul Waner] - Baseballbiography.com</ref><ref>[http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=2289771&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20071031 "Introducing ... 'Tacoby Bellsbury'"]. ''mlb.com''. Retrieved 2010-10-17.</ref><ref>Parker, p. 70.</ref>

==Later life==
[[File:Lloyd Waner plaque.jpg|thumb|upright|right|110px|Plaque of Lloyd Waner at the [[National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum|Baseball Hall of Fame]]]]
After retiring as a player, Waner was a scout for Pittsburgh from 1946 to 1949. He filled the same role with the [[Baltimore Orioles]] in 1955. He worked for the city of [[Oklahoma City]] between 1950 and 1967.<ref name=NYT>{{cite news|title=Lloyd Waner, Baseball Star|url=https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/23/obituaries/lloyd-waner-baseball-star.html|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[The New York Times]]|date=July 23, 1982}}</ref> Lloyd and Paul Waner both struggled with alcohol abuse. Lloyd Waner Jr. said that while Paul "drank like a fish when he was playing ball",<ref>Parker, p. 282.</ref> Lloyd's drinking intensified after his playing career was over. Lloyd Jr. said that the brothers would have been better known and would have enjoyed their later lives more were it not for alcohol.<ref name=autogenerated1>Parker, p. 291.</ref>

In 1950, Lloyd and Paul Waner lost their older brother, Ralph Waner, when he was fatally shot by his ex-wife Marie.<ref name="Miami">{{Cite news |date=1950-04-01 |title=Waner Brother Shot Dead by Ex-Wife in Restaurant |url=https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-miami-news-waner-brother-shot-dead-b/166127935/ |access-date=2025-02-19 |work=[[The Miami News]] |page=12-B |via=[[Newspapers.com]] |agency=Associated Press}}</ref> Ralph had been eating a steak dinner with his girlfriend when Marie came into the restaurant. Ralph and Marie both became angry. As they started to walk outside, Marie pulled out a gun. Ralph was shot twice, then struggled for the weapon. It went off one more time, injuring Marie. Ralph died a short time later.<ref>Parker, p. 286.</ref> Ralph had held numerous roles in organized baseball in Pennsylvania.<ref name=Press>{{cite news|title=Independent Loop Near Organization|url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=EzIbAAAAIBAJ&pg=4954,2551270|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[The Pittsburgh Press]]|date=March 19, 1934}}</ref><ref name=Ralph>{{cite news|title=Ralph Waner Heads Training Session|url=https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NiQbAAAAIBAJ&pg=4203,745887|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[The Pittsburgh Press]]|date=April 23, 1933}}</ref>

Waner was inducted into the [[National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum|National Baseball Hall of Fame]] in 1967. [[Sabermetrics|Sabermetrician]] [[Bill James]] has listed Waner as one of ten examples of Hall of Fame inductees who do not deserve the honor.<ref>[http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/bill-james-answers-all-your-baseball-questions/#more-1967 "Bill James Answers All Your Baseball Questions"], an April 2008 entry from the ''[[Freakonomics]]'' blog</ref> Possible reasons for his selection include his brother being a fellow inductee and the inflated batting averages of his era, which helped many players from the 1920s and 1930s in the eyes of the [[Veterans Committee]].

Late in Waner's life, writer Donald Honig asked him about a previous quote in which Waner said that he would have played baseball for free. "I think I would have asked for expenses", Waner reflected.<ref name=Honig>{{cite news|last=Honig|first=Donald|title=Can You Imagine? Getting Paid to Play Baseball?|url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-22640281.html|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20131111044934/http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-22640281.html|url-status=dead|archive-date=November 11, 2013|access-date=November 2, 2013|newspaper=[[The Buffalo News]]|date=September 4, 1994|via=HighBeam}}</ref>   Lloyd gave up drinking in the last four or five years of his life and Lloyd Jr. said that "it was like having a real father around... I'll always treasure that period."<ref name=autogenerated1 /> In 1982, Waner died of complications related to [[emphysema]].<ref name="PSULloydWaner"/> He was survived by his wife Frances and his two children.<ref name="Obituary"/>

==See also==
* [[List of Major League Baseball career hits leaders]]
* [[List of Major League Baseball career runs scored leaders]]
* [[List of Major League Baseball career triples leaders]]
* [[List of Major League Baseball single-season triples leaders]]
* [[List of Major League Baseball annual runs scored leaders]]
* [[List of Major League Baseball annual triples leaders]]
*[[List of Major League Baseball single-game hits leaders]]

==References==
'''General'''
*Parker, Clifton Blue. [https://books.google.com/books?id=-m2seLQAIQAC ''Big and Little Poison: Paul and Lloyd Waner, Baseball Brothers'']. McFarland, 2003. {{ISBN|0786481404}}.

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==Further reading==
* Chadwick, George (June 16, 1927) [https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SBS19270616.1.19&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN-%252522waner+boys%252522+saxophone-------1 "Waner Boys Popularizing Saxophone in Major Loop"]. ''San Bernardino Sun''.  
* [https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-news/84202966/ "Doing the Brother Act"]. ''New York Daily News''. October 28, 1927. p.&nbsp;64
* Sugarman, Elias E. (November 12, 1927). [http://www.mediafire.com/view/nxd8pb4idvdi6kg/.png "New Turns and Returns: Paul and Lloyd Waner"]. ''Billboard''.
* [[w:United Press International|Pacific & Atlantic]] (February 5, 1928). [http://www.mediafire.com/view/2qnsormb4su0ybv/.png "Walloping Waners Take to Air"]. ''Los Angeles Times''.
* Balinger, Edward S. (March 8, 1932). [http://www.mediafire.com/view/yswggsg6gt66ag4/.jpg "Pirates of 1932: Lloyd Waner"]. ''Pittsburgh Post-Gazette''.

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*[http://thedeadballera.com/Obits/Obits_W/Waner.Lloyd.Obit.html Lloyd Waner] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200123030725/http://thedeadballera.com/Obits/Obits_W/Waner.Lloyd.Obit.html |date=2020-01-23 }} at The Deadball Era
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