Incubator escapee wiki:Articles for deletion/Virtual piano

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep, move to Piano key frequencies. Antandrus 21:29, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Virtual piano

Do we need this? — Kieff | Talk 22:21, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

Why delete it? I use it all the time....so please don't, unless you really need the server space for something else.

• Perhaps it should be renamed? It seems to be a chart of pitches. --Sketchee 05:49, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

Keep. I'm new to music theory, but I found the article helpful in understanding the mathematical relativity of notes. Unless this information is covered elsewhere, I vote keep this article. I do agree that "Virtual piano" might not be the best title for the article. I believe I got to it from a link related to "A440", a benchmark frequency for music. In any case, I found the article and profited from it although my interest was neither in things virtual or piano. Ingo 03/01/05 209.217.79.202 06:42, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I agree, keep and rename --24.222.9.242 14:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • • Keep and rename. Maybe we can incorporate the table into Piano tuning relating to Musical tuning or something similar. Quinobi 19:45, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• KEEP. I needed the information regarding "twelfth root of two" frequencies, found this article and got the data I needed. I was surprised to see the VfD tag and wouldn't object to a logical rename or merge but please don't delete. hydnjo talk 20:03, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, but edit for factual accuracy. The "scientific" or "just" scale uses evenly spaced notes (frequency ratio of the twelfth root of two), but the standard musical scale is slightly different.

• • I looked into this and found that the "equal temperament scale" based on the twelfth root of two ratio between half notes is used for most piano tuning as it is the best compromise, allowing music to be played in any key equally well or at least with equal error . A concert pianist however may prefer the "just intonation" where all the notes are related by rational numbers but, which only holds true when playing in a particular key or set of keys. This article does state that the frequencies shown are derived by the twelfth root of two ratio with A-4 at 440 Hz. Accurate, but I agree that renaming may be in order. As it stands it probably will only be found from it's links from Piano etc. Still KEEP. hydnjo talk 19:45, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Note that Scientific pitch notation has the same a lot of the same information, perhaps they could be merged. I do like them better seperate though, because they both have different purposes. --24.222.9.242 14:50, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • The Scientific pitch notation page is quite different in that it doesn't relate the frequencies to the piano keyboard and it also has two fewer places of precision than Virtual piano. Most importantly you need to follow the Chromatic scale link and from there to the tempered link in order to understand that Scientific pitch notation refers to the twelfth root of two ratio between half-tones. hydnjo talk 16:46, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Keep but it must be renamed. Wow, this has been on VfD for a long time. This list of frequencies of the pitches on a piano tuned using equal temperament is useful, I think, but it should be titled more meaningfully: List of frequencies of chromatic semitones in equal temperament using A=440 is awfully cumbersome, but that's what it is. Maybe just Equal temperament frequencies of piano keys or something, since A=440 is the current standard. If anyone else can come up with a better title, please do. Antandrus 16:53, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • How about just Piano key frequencies rather than giving away the plot in the pagename. ;-) hydnjo talk 17:08, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That would be fine, as long as the first sentence makes it absolutely clear that it refers to equal temperament only (or alternatively, that frequencies for a couple of other systems are included, such as just intonation based around a given pitch, or the common 18th century temperaments such as the Werckmeister or Neidhardt). Cheers, Antandrus 19:26, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your edit cleans this up very nicely. See if my last edit addresses your comment about other systems. hydnjo talk 19:48, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's good! Thanks, Antandrus 20:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Note to Antandrus: I think we have a consensus. My current vote is to rename this article Piano key frequencies. Hell, that only took 3 months and may have stayed around longer without your intervention, comments, and edits. Thank you and it's your move.  :-) hydnjo talk 20:27, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.